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    valve info

    Hi could any of you tell me anything about my valve
    Thanks
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    Erm. . . .

    Looks like a polished classic valve with older shorty foamy bolt. Other than that it's difficult to tell from pics, since all externally identifying stuff has been polished off.

    If you crack it open the internal porting might offer some indication of its age, but only if it's an early one.

    The lengthy piece of stainless hose may indicate something older, but not necessarily.

    Where did you get it? Do you have the original marker from which it came? That also would offer up some clues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menace_AO View Post
    Erm. . . .

    Looks like a polished classic valve with older shorty foamy bolt. Other than that it's difficult to tell from pics, since all externally identifying stuff has been polished off.

    If you crack it open the internal porting might offer some indication of its age, but only if it's an early one.

    The lengthy piece of stainless hose may indicate something older, but not necessarily.

    Where did you get it? Do you have the original marker from which it came? That also would offer up some clues.
    Thanks i would not know where to start opening it up i will look into that and i believe it came out of Jon bonich's garage here is a picture all i have added is the asa Name:  IMAG0221.jpg
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    *shrugs* nothing special, just a polished lvl 7 valve. the regulator body may or may not be stock though. neat grips on that automag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyco-Dude View Post
    *shrugs* nothing special, just a polished lvl 7 valve. the regulator body may or may not be stock though. neat grips on that automag.
    Those grips are coming off and being replaced by wooden grips

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    Nice.

    Now we're talking. You have an older version, possibly a level 6, but probably just one of the early L7s. That is the WGP pot metal frame and of course the crown point barrel, but it looks like the machining cuts in the barrel are anodized and not raw, which suggests it isn't one of the very earliest ones.

    The only other thing I can think of would be to take it apart and look at the sear and also the internal air ports in the valve itself to give further clues. For the latter just take the valve out and unscrew the back half. You'll see some holes in the front half and the back half, and one of the things to look for is whether or not the holes in the two halves would line up with one another when the valve is screwed back together. Just hold them up as they would be mated up and eyeball it. It will be pretty evident. The earliest had smaller air ports and they did not line up. Lots of early speculation that this caused shootdown, but probably that was user error more than anything else.

    But either way, this is an older mag, and looks like it was pretty well kept, polished or no.

    Check out the video made by Tom Kaye, available here in nine parts:

    https://www.automags.org/forums/showt...YouTube-Videos

    Hope that helps, and good luck with your new toy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menace_AO View Post
    Nice.

    Now we're talking. You have an older version, possibly a level 6, but probably just one of the early L7s. That is the WGP pot metal frame and of course the crown point barrel, but it looks like the machining cuts in the barrel are anodized and not raw, which suggests it isn't one of the very earliest ones.

    The only other thing I can think of would be to take it apart and look at the sear and also the internal air ports in the valve itself to give further clues. For the latter just take the valve out and unscrew the back half. You'll see some holes in the front half and the back half, and one of the things to look for is whether or not the holes in the two halves would line up with one another when the valve is screwed back together. Just hold them up as they would be mated up and eyeball it. It will be pretty evident. The earliest had smaller air ports and they did not line up. Lots of early speculation that this caused shootdown, but probably that was user error more than anything else.

    But either way, this is an older mag, and looks like it was pretty well kept, polished or no.

    Check out the video made by Tom Kaye, available here in nine parts:

    https://www.automags.org/forums/showt...YouTube-Videos

    Hope that helps, and good luck with your new toy.
    I will get more pictures up later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menace_AO View Post
    Nice.

    Now we're talking. You have an older version, possibly a level 6, but probably just one of the early L7s. That is the WGP pot metal frame and of course the crown point barrel, but it looks like the machining cuts in the barrel are anodized and not raw, which suggests it isn't one of the very earliest ones.

    The only other thing I can think of would be to take it apart and look at the sear and also the internal air ports in the valve itself to give further clues. For the latter just take the valve out and unscrew the back half. You'll see some holes in the front half and the back half, and one of the things to look for is whether or not the holes in the two halves would line up with one another when the valve is screwed back together. Just hold them up as they would be mated up and eyeball it. It will be pretty evident. The earliest had smaller air ports and they did not line up. Lots of early speculation that this caused shootdown, but probably that was user error more than anything else.

    But either way, this is an older mag, and looks like it was pretty well kept, polished or no.

    Check out the video made by Tom Kaye, available here in nine parts:

    https://www.automags.org/forums/showt...YouTube-Videos

    Hope that helps, and good luck with your new toy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menace_AO View Post
    Nice.

    Now we're talking. You have an older version, possibly a level 6, but probably just one of the early L7s. That is the WGP pot metal frame and of course the crown point barrel, but it looks like the machining cuts in the barrel are anodized and not raw, which suggests it isn't one of the very earliest ones.
    Not necessarily, i got a brand new annodized cut barrel for my birthday from my friend in '05, they sold them fairly recently.

    However, looking at the sear he's posted up since you posted and the fact that it has an 8 hole mod, i would be inclined to say you are right.

    Spook, can you use a nickel to unscrew the power tube tip (brass part that the bolt slides through)? If there's a spring in there, it's definitely a level 6, but from the other clues, as long as the gun has stayed 100% together, it looks like an older valve.

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    Why would a spring make it a level 6? Mags didnt come with spacers till mid 90s. My 94-95 level 7 mag had a spring in there originally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoopay700 View Post
    Not necessarily, i got a brand new annodized cut barrel for my birthday from my friend in '05, they sold them fairly recently.

    However, looking at the sear he's posted up since you posted and the fact that it has an 8 hole mod, i would be inclined to say you are right.

    Spook, can you use a nickel to unscrew the power tube tip (brass part that the bolt slides through)? If there's a spring in there, it's definitely a level 6, but from the other clues, as long as the gun has stayed 100% together, it looks like an older valve.
    It has a brass spring in there

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