First Game with new (rebuilt) Minimag. Gun is great. Hate the trigger.

[Abubaca]

So I joined a few months back when I picked up a really cheap, bone stock Minimag or CL. Cleaned it top to bottom, put in a new O-ring kit, and topped it off with a UL body. Last post saw me having a few leaks, but I stripped it down, put it back together and now no issues. ANYHOW......never got a chance to play with it until last weekend. As far as I can tell, the gun functioned flawlessly. Now, I play mostly open group, and I do my best to only shoot single trigger mechanical guns. My old faithful is my Empire Resurrection. I expect to have to place my shots a little better, and with better players, I have to work a little harder to hold a lane, but ultimately I can almost always hold my own. That being said.....this Minimag with a bone stock trigger is......well it sucks. I really had a hard time getting any kind of ROF going. I think it worked properly, I just didn't like it. I don't have plans to upgrade the valve, and even the old level 7 served me just fine....but that trigger.

Any suggestions???

[TheJackal28]

Ya look into a rt on off with a .750 length pin it will lighten up the trigger a bit and look into a benchmark single trigger frame I love the fat steel triggers they make the trigger pull feel easier too, since you like your single trigger frames. Even keeping it mostly bone stock id look into a barrel too some brass barrels are very nice or even a docs adapter for cocker barrels and find a nice short carbon fiber barrel. But that's just my thought.

[Nobody]

What are you wanting to do with the trigger?

A RT will lighten the phll, but the snappiness is more to the design of the gun than the trigger itself.

I personally curl my fingertip in, so that i am pushing the trigger rather than pulling it. Its hard to explain but find something that works for you.

A double trigger will give you mechanical leverage which will make it easier to shoot fawter and long strings.

Lastly, do not treat the mag like a ressurection. 2 totally different beasts. Treat it more like a separate discipline in how you play. Like mech vs electro or even mech vs pump. Since this is your first time with the mag, it takes a more than 1 game to get a groove with it.

[bowcycle]

I do rt on/offs on all my classic valves.
The single-trigger benchy frame is a little "mushier" than the classic cf frame, but does "feel" a little lighter.

I find it much easier to do ropes with my cockers than mags. I think of playing with a mech mag like playing pump, but without having to pump. I'm a pump guy at heart and so bring out the mags when I'm being lazy or consistently outgunned. I only bring out the cockers when it's my job to throw ropes an entire game. And I don't own an electro.

[Abubaca]

Only 3 replies, but you ALL hit exactly the points I had been thinking about myself.

The gun itself has the UL body and I'm using a Dye Ultralight 16". It was dead nuts accurate even with field paint. Every bit as much as the Rez. Both I feel are exceptional. As for double trigger.....I like single triggers. It's just a thing. No real reason, I just like em.

As for "what do I want from the trigger?" ...good question. I don't know exactly. I just know I couldn't put together any real ROF. With the Rez, I can't lay down 15 to 20 ball ropes, but I CAN certainly pop off 3 round bursts with a good finger twitch no problem. As bowcycle said, don't treat the mag like the Rez. That may be the key here. Without upgrading the whole gun and making it a beast, I may just have to get used to it. ...which is another good point. Only one day, so I'm certainly not "used to it" yet. ...and saying it's like a pump? That's exactly how I felt with it. ...which is cool too though....as I refuse to play accuracy by volume ball, which is what I feel the sport has become. I've been looking at building a pump gun, and perhaps the mag will just take that roll.

Again, gun was great, and I had fun rebuilding and playing. Shot some peeps out and got lots of thumbs up from the older guys and weird looks from the kids! ...anyhow...quick pic. Nothing fancy...which is how i like it.

[TheJackal28]

Ok so you have a ule body Automag regardless on what the classic valve has laser engraved on it minimag Automag or micromag they are the same the body of the gun is what makes it a minimag Automag or micromag. The frame can be switched out with almost any Mag frame and some other frames if modded. What I see your looking for is a lighter more poppy trigger which will come from the rt on off but I'd try out another frame that's aluminum to have a smoother flow cause the carbon fiber frame your using is a lil sticky I have 3 on a few mags of mine but if you have the money to throw at your Mag Luke's custom makes one of my most favorite single trigger frames and can install a trex pneumatic trigger system to make the trigger as light as any electro marker frame. Kam m86 frames are super nice too would love to get my hands on one, one day. But benchmark frame dye frames and grip stick frames are beloved too and aren't nearly as expensive either

[Cyco-Dude]

So I joined a few months back when I picked up a really cheap, bone stock Minimag or CL. Cleaned it top to bottom, put in a new O-ring kit, and topped it off with a UL body. Last post saw me having a few leaks, but I stripped it down, put it back together and now no issues. ANYHOW......never got a chance to play with it until last weekend. As far as I can tell, the gun functioned flawlessly. Now, I play mostly open group, and I do my best to only shoot single trigger mechanical guns. My old faithful is my Empire Resurrection. I expect to have to place my shots a little better, and with better players, I have to work a little harder to hold a lane, but ultimately I can almost always hold my own. That being said.....this Minimag with a bone stock trigger is......well it sucks. I really had a hard time getting any kind of ROF going. I think it worked properly, I just didn't like it. I don't have plans to upgrade the valve, and even the old level 7 served me just fine....but that trigger.

Any suggestions???

either get a double-trigger frame, or, if you really want to keep the single frame, you can swap the classic on/off with an rt on/off for a slightly easier trigger pull. it's not hard to fire, you just need to get a full release and get used to how they shoot. the stock automag with carbon single-trigger frame is kind of a stiff pull, but like a lot of people have already said, the rt on/off may be the ticket here.

[vintage]

also if you just rebuilt it the o rings will break in eventually and it will ease up a small amount.

[athomas]

Once you get the feel of the trigger pull, you should be able to consistently get 6 - 8 bps with the single trigger. The RT on-off will lighten the pull from about 8 lbs to about 4 lbs. Shimming the side of the trigger will make it feel more crisp as well.

I used an original metal mag single trigger frame for years with my Automag68. I got used to laying my index finger along the body and pulling the trigger with my middle finger. I found that it helped my pointing speed for accurate snap shooting and I could maintain pretty good trigger speed when needed.

[ghost flanker]

I hesitate to say this, and it'd cost you if you did it, but you might prefer an RT style valve with a ULT instead of the classic valve. There's only so much you can do to smooth out or lessen the trigger pull on an AM/MM valve. Yeah, an RT on/off would help and is an inexpensive solution, but it's still not quite what it sounds like you're after. Don't get me wrong, though, I love me an old classic mag, but the trigger pull is simply not its best future. It'll never feel smooth like a nice slider trigger on a cocker. Nature of the beast.

IMO, the most pleasant feeling trigger pull ever in a mag requires the following ingredients: an X-Valve, a ULT, and a single trigger Benchmark frame with a solid aluminum trigger. A setup like that will get you that smoothness and lightness you want. Plus, it's a REALLY short pull. Shooting ropes will be much easier.

[Nobody]

No, I'll disagree. Lightness is more of the application of leverage, and a double trigger will get you that. Longer the lever the easier it is to pull. And Benchmark frames are sloppy and the safety is horrible. I don't know how many times the safety slide in while trying to fire.

Remember this is a mag not a ressurection. Short and snappy is the dogma. My Ripper bodied all ID ressurection is a dream to shoot, so i know exactly where you are coming from, yet for you who has extremely limited time behind a mag trigger, you need to shoot it. Hell even just wasting air in the backyard would help you get used to it. Maybe its me, but to me every gun i shoot i shoot with the gun not trying to shoot a focker like a mag or a mag like an electro, or even a classic valve to a RT/Xvalve.

RT on/off with a .740 pin is what you want.

[Spider-TW]

you just need to get a full release and get used to how they shoot.

Which is the opposite of a cocker, where you need to be sure and make a full pull of the trigger. That's often the hard part for someone used to cockers.

I would vote for an RT on/off also.

[Abubaca]

Guys I appreciate all the responses. .....just a thought, but what about an X valve with the classic single trigger frame? Is that doable? Is the "RT" action harder to get a handle on without the leverage of a double trigger? I'm not totally against the double trigger, but my preference would be to keep it single if possible. I only played with an RT trigger one time, WAY back when they were new. It was cool, and I remember loving it, but honestly it's been so long....I hardly remember it. I'm not made of money, but the X valve is still way cheaper than the PE Ethas that my son and wife play with, so it's not out of the question.

[going_home]

Even with firing one finger, because of the extra room in the trigger guard of an Intelliframe or other double trigger frame, you will be able to fire faster.

[Spider-TW]

Guys I appreciate all the responses. .....just a thought, but what about an X valve with the classic single trigger frame? Is that doable? Is the "RT" action harder to get a handle on without the leverage of a double trigger? I'm not totally against the double trigger, but my preference would be to keep it single if possible.

The single frames work well. I prefer the AGD single trigger frame on RT's and x-valves. Stock valves are too stiff to walk easily on a long trigger. It's not a pneumag or electronic walk at least, more like a low pull and high pull. I prefer the shorter trigger travel to the sensitivity and travel of the longer trigger. If I'm not RT'ing, I prefer the single trigger even more. Some people actually like the long trigger for ordinary semi shooting though, often using their middle finger.

An x-valve on a single frame with your selected amount of bounce is a tasty machine.

[Abubaca]

An x-valve on a single frame with your selected amount of bounce is a tasty machine.

That sounds tempting ...I may give that a shot! ....and I figure I can always add the double trigger if I'm so inclined.