Magazine Fed Mag (Mac-10)

[nato]

So I am making a mag pistol and in the process of doing this I decided to move back the trigger frame (to give it a pistol feel and look) and use the sear as the trigger. Like a beam of light opening from the clouds and lighting up earth, an idea came to me. Now with the trigger frame out of the way, there is an opportunity to cut a hole in the bottom (through the rail and body) and make a spring magazing loaded marker. Obvioulsy I'll seal up the other standard feed. I dont think I have seen anyone ever attempt this and I am wondering if there is something I dont know. Any input is appreciated. I have sketches and I will be scanning them shortly if there are no objections. I'm planning on using a reciever to have the mags lock in and I will use whatever mag works best... as of now I am thinking of a modified AR-15 mag for simplicity sake.

Nate

[captian pinky]

the only problem ull have is when the ball is pucshed in to the breech that if the second ball is 2 far in the breech then ull have choping problems

[Skoad]

I've thought of doing this numerous times. The only thing is I wasn't sure how I would do the sear if that was done. Right now I don't have a mag in my posession so unable to fiddle around with it

Originally when I did my p90 mag I was going to actually do an ar-15 with a 'different' feed system but didn't get around to it. I actually got another scenario mod in my brain waiting to come out when I get the spare $. One is with a mag, the other is an uzi (or mac-10 if you will) made from that new pistol coming out.

[Skoad]

the only problem ull have is when the ball is pucshed in to the breech that if the second ball is 2 far in the breech then ull have choping problems

Won't be any problems feeding as long as the hole is plugged correctly.

[nato]

Yea I figured that there is no difference in hole position. I do realize that I will need to use a ULE/ Tac One body in order to have functional detents. Im going to be home for break and will turn on my drill press right when I arrive.

Thanks,
Nate

[noahyay]

would it be easier to drill a new hole and slot in the ule and flip it around?

[Arstron]

This sounds very interesting! I really like this idea. Instead of doing a spring feed clip, what if you took the internals out of a warp feed and modified it feed the balls into the breech? Have the clip just wide enough for the warp disks, but have it taller then it is wide so you can put the warp internals above the disks and also have a couple extra balls. There would alwas be a couple balls that wouldnt be shot though, somthing similar to this. Dont laugh, its the best I could do in 10 minutes.


edit: forgot to meantion the sear, for comfort, you might want to try to attach a single trigger directly to the sear, as seen below.

[nato]

Yea, I wrote above that I am attatching a trigger to the sear. As for the warp, I want an idea that will work, wont be bulky, and wont be over complicated. My intentions is to make this work, work out all of the bugs and then mass produce about 6 mags so I can quickly reload on the field like a real gun. Nice drawings!

noahyay- I went through it, thought that as well and found that it will be easier to keep the body upright how it is already.

thanks,
Nate

P.S. Im starting on it today

[Skoad]

be sure to take lots of progress pics!

I'd like to see how it turns out/any probs you run into.

[nato]

Hehe, I spent the whole day making a mag pistol and it is AMAZING looking. I moved the grip frame back with a little bit of tweaking. And on top of that I got a new bench grinder and tap set!!! Best day evar!

My camera is broken

You guys will have to wait till Monday when I get back to school to borrow someones camera. As for the magazine, it is completely doable but I forsee lots of minor tweaking and minor adjustments. I figured out how to properly move the grip frame back so now I need a ULE body to begin my spring-fed magazine concept.

I own a custom AR-15 with automag internals. All real AR-15 parts. If this magazine idea works out and is fairly practicle, I will convert my AR-15 into a clip weapon of a beast, just the way God designed guns to be really loaded!

Later,
Nater

[nato]

Oh, for those of you who dont see how the pistol I just made has anything to do with this thread topic, I'll quickly explain. Pretty much everything involved in making this clip-fed mag was done to the pistol except for three things.
1. Create a pb clip.
2. Make a reciever for the clip to lock into
3. The creation of the hole under the body and sealing up the old feedneck.

Cheers,
Nate

[Skoad]

I've seen the AR-15 mag. Very cool.

I think your toughest part is going to be able to make a nice looking magazine catch/release system.

[nato]

agreed, right now Im trying to keep practicality AND looks. The best concept for a high cap mag that wont be heavily modified is a staggerd or zig zag style stack leading into one outlet. I mocked up an AR-15 mag and it should easily hold 20- 30 paintballs depending on design. The other option that is less practicle is the use of a straight mag design. Id only be able to use 10-15 paintballs for that one.

I am currently looking into an Ariakon Reciever port to use that would make it look VERY clean. If that works then all I need to worry about is the magazine design. I may come out with a couple of different mags to juggle around different feed and look designs.

Heres the link to that:

http://www.ariakon.com/item.asp?ic=ARK-S4MAG

Till next time...
Nate

[Skoad]

Have you already aquired a spring? That was the hard part on my p90. Trying to find a spring that could push the balls for a decent rate of fire, but also be flexible enough to make a 180 degree turn without a hiccup.

Not sure if you'll find a perfect spring for a zigzag.

[nato]

the spring just needs to go straight the feed stack will be zigzagged. Right now I am looking into a Ruger mag that is made of plastic. It should beed paintballs fine and I will be able to use the spring from that for the ar-15 mag as well.

Nate