Pneumag/xvalve help

[jonny72888]

my mag is acting funny. the only thing i could think of is that my brother's ion was in my workshop at the same time.

ok, that was a joke ( i think) but my mag is notshooting right. i have a video to help explain it.

it will not fire a paintball everytime i pull the trigger. the bolt will always move. its like it is not recharging fast enough. it only does it sometimes.
i tuned back the lvl10 (now it will take your finger off if its in the way)
full tank
i ran alot of oil through it. (aka lube)
im lost. could something get stuck in the valve and keep it from recharging? i took it all apart and oiled it and cleaned it up and did not see anything.

thoughts?

[maniacmechanic]

so your saying it will cycle every time TILL you put paint to it ? , what kind of hopper are you feeding it with ??

[jonny72888]

no, it will do it with or with out paint. i used paint just to help show what it was doing.

when i try to shoot fast it will not recharge fast enough to shoot a paintball out of the gun. it will rollout. i have a feeling something got stuck in it but i just can not find it.

[maniacmechanic]

Your'e giving up way to fast , this can be caused by a lot of things most very simple ;
Field strip screw too tight/loose
Grip frame screw too tight/loose
reg piston sticking
level ten too tight
velocity too low
Do you have a stock gripframe and a spare sear to try that way , at least you could eliminate the Pneu's
It's so hard to trouble shoot stuff over the net , Even with the vid sometimes the phone works better

[jonny72888]

Your'e giving up way to fast , this can be caused by a lot of things most very simple ;
Field strip screw too tight/loose
Grip frame screw too tight/loose
reg piston sticking
level ten too tight
velocity too low
Do you have a stock gripframe and a spare sear to try that way , at least you could eliminate the Pneu's
It's so hard to trouble shoot stuff over the net , Even with the vid sometimes the phone works better

i borrowed a grip and tried it but i could not shoot fast enough to get it to happen like before.

i have a very slight leak down the barrel from the lvl10 being the next size to big because i thought it was sticking to. it has all new orings. its shooting 275fps +/- 5.

ill try out the screws but i need to get some more air first.

[jonny72888]

Its fixed!!!

I do not know what it was. i just ordered a new x-valve oring kit and replaced everything and not it works very very well.

[athomas]

Probably a piece of dirt. Dirt is the nemesis of the automag if it gets in the right place. The good news is that it can easily be fixed by a good cleaning or new orings.

[jonny72888]

not working again. i let it sit for about 1 week and now it will not work. i think that the lvl10 might be tuned to close and its sticking to much. any thought?

[BiNumber3]

what tank are you using? output pressure?

[jonny72888]

all high outpu tanks, pmi, myth, CF

[BiNumber3]

hmm, just to clarify, gun fires fine if you pull slowly, starts acting up if you pull faster?

do you have a mech frame? try that n see if it still acts up.
also what lpr are you using, wonder if maybe that's what isnt rechargin fast enough.

[jonny72888]

palmers lpr its not that. i clocked the gun up to 20bps before with the same setup.

its something to do with the valve.

[TwilightG]

are you sure you're not short stroking? that would cause rollouts (that little chuff can sometimes be enough to push the paint out of the breach)

you mentioned bolt stick and sounds like a classic case of lvl10 tuning.. if you have a std mech frame available, tune your lvl10 1st and get it running 100%

Then throw on the pneu-frame and start to diagnose that.

are you using a ULT? I hate ULT's

[jonny72888]

fixed again lol
i added a shim to the lvl10 and not it works better. so i added another and its works the way it should. yes i have the ult. PITA!! but i lets me keep my lpr turned way down.

[athomas]

fixed again lol
i added a shim to the lvl10 and not it works better. so i added another and its works the way it should. yes i have the ult. PITA!! but i lets me keep my lpr turned way down.

If adding a shim to the level 10 fixed your problem, then your problem will probably crop up again. All the level 10 shims do are let a misfire (that does not allow the bolt to go far enough to vent) to reset. If you are getting misfires or bolt stick, you need to fix that.

Because the shim allowed it to fix your firing problems, it sounds like you may have a ULT issue. A tiny leak in the ULT would cause a stick that could possibly be remedied with a level 10 shim and still allow it to reset. Try removing 1 ULT shim and see if that helps.